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Бп для монитора - ищу альтереативное или хоть какое то решение!
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Подсел на статьи kirich ,думал написать человеку письмо о своей проблеме - а оказываеться у него есть целый блог,решил создать тему.



Характеристики компа:
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Видео (моя гордость ,которую я с трудом купил перед Новым годом)ати радеон hd4850.Хоть ей больше 10 лет ,работает отлично.Подключаеться через переходник vga -dvi.
Дисковода нет ,флоппи нет ,куллеры штатные - только на процессоре ,БП и видеокарте.Корпус открытый с двух сторон.

Вкраце опишу проблему:
На днях перестал работать монитор.Включаю комп ,монитор включился ,показал на пару сек и выключился.Вначале грешил на видеокарту,подключил к встроенной.Тоже самое.Потом отключил провод vga от системника - моник должен включиться и показать надпись :нет сигнала.Он включился ,показал надпись ,потом потух ,и все пытаеться включиться ,но не выходит.Выключил с розетки ,подождал опять включил - тоже самое ,пару сек показал - и вырубаеться.Похоже на проблему с бп.

Поиск бп монитора:
Монитор lg flatron w2043.Бп внешний 12 v 2a.Начал искать нужный для lg в инете - оказалось ,что их не производят ,нужно брать новый ,но со схожими характеристиками.

А блоки в инете дорогие +доставка.А тут еще плохо ,что можно попасть на китайский гавнонейм,который сгорит за пару дней.По сути кот в мешке .Да и пока что сижу без работы ,деньги на пределе ,на еду - и все!Был на днях в ближайшем городе, искал работу ,заодно побегал по магазинам ,по рынку.Цены на ноунейм блок питания - от 500 грн.Чего ?Спасибо ,я пока с автономной заставкой Малевичем посижу.Вернулся домой в расстроенных чуствах.

Чинить блок питания не вариант - нет паяльника ,оловоотсоса и кондеров нужных.Я в прошлом году купил паяльник по почте - при 3 пайке наушников загорелся.С тех пор паяю здоровым жалом паяльника ссср - жить то хочеться.И как назло нет друзей ,у кого можно одолжить бп на проверку.Кругом контры.

Альтернативные действия:
Наткнулся в инете на такую вещь -оказываеться можно запитать моник от бп системного.Решил попробовать.Там подключались к молексу ,но у меня его нет ,я его использовал при ремонте чужих пк.Поэтому у меня проводки скручены напрямую и надежно заизолированы изолентусом- норм работают .

По инструкции моник можно подключить к бп компа ,только если он подходит.

1)Мой бп был на 12 v -бп моника тоже 12 v.

2)Ампераж выдавал большой - тоже подходит(как я прочел ,монитор сам возьмет столько ампер ,сколько положено.) 

3)Осталось ватты.Как посчитать ватты :12 v*2 а =24w.У меня бп 400w атх ,сами понимаете какой это бп ,так что я решил его считать как 300 w.

Посчитал питание своего оборудования,с помощью онлайн калькулятора - бп должен вытянуть.В противном случаи бп просто не запуститься.Итак,я приступил.Обрезал от бп моника штекер подключения - внутри плюс ,снаружи минус.Чтобы не перепутать ,прозвонил провода самодельным тестером(светодиод ,резистор ,батарейка).Потом я удлинил провод.Желтый провод 12 в я подсоединил к +(внутренний контакт моника ),минус кинул на внешний контакт.Заизолировал все это дело - включаю в сеть.

Но все же жесткий диск отключил - хай душа горить ,палаэ ,а инфа дороже!Моник заработал - но появились горизонтальные полосы ,которые двигались вверх.Комп загрузился отлично ,все работало.Я выключил комп.Может все таки в питании дело ,не тянет ?Все таки hd4850 потребляет 110 вт где то.Подключил vga кабель к встроенному г41 чипсету.Включил уже вместе с жестким диском - тоже самое.

Интересно ,в чем же дело ?

Что можно еще попробовать из перечисленного ниже?
1)заменить vga кабель - может из за него помехи ,он как раз в последнее время тоже барахлит ,переломлен возле вилки vga.

2)может сделать хитро ,подключение от бп компа оставить ,но еще подключить к + и - выводам старый бп моника - может в бп есть фильтры ,которые убирают помехи.Или при подключении бп от моника ,моник будет уходить в защиту ?(ну или его бп уйдет в защиту).Интересно ,кто нибудь такое пробовал ?

А может все же бп слабый и не дает чесных 12 в.Тогда остаеться искать человека который перепаяет кондеры на бп.В комп.центре мне отказались его ремонтировать (хоть я до этого в бп и не лазил ,просто сервис не занимаеться подобным ремонтом ).Куплять новый бп буду ,когда найду работу.А сейчас хотелось поэкспериментировать ,будет работать моник через бп компа или нет ?И он то работает ,но откуда ж помехи ?
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Банальная земляная петля, максимально увеличьте сечение минусового провода питания, сейчас у Вас приличная часть тока идет по ощему проводу видеокабеля, отсюда и полосы.
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(02-25-2019, 07:14 PM)kirich Написал: Банальная земляная петля, максимально увеличьте сечение минусового провода питания, сейчас у Вас приличная часть тока идет по ощему проводу видеокабеля, отсюда и полосы.

Привет. Спасибо за ответ. 

Обсуждал тему с монитором на двух форумах. Мне посоветовали взять внешний бп дойче телеком на 12 v, 2a. Я вначале отказался от такой покупки - неизвестная марка, кто знает какие там характеристики на самом деле!? После этого я подробней рассписал, как я вижу производство китайских дешевых бп.

Дальше сам ответ. Вы уж простите - даже в таких ситуациях я умудряюсь пошутить.
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Проводок питания тонкий ,вилка тоже уже эти моменты вызывают сомнения о качестве.Да и сама марка,хотя бы asus ,samsung.А то дойче телеком-немецкое качество !А точно ли это дойче телеком ?Может какой то узкоглазый китаец Chan ,по образованию врач,сидит в подвале,при тусклом свете качающей лампы,вдыхая пары канифоли ,держит в потресканых ладошках паяльник ,водя глазами по американской инструкции , паяет радиоэлементы.

А с другой стороны сидит какой то кореец Sujacen ,со слезами на глазах ,уставшими руками печатает этикетки .После 100 распечатаных штук ,берет клея лизуна и клеит наклейки на корпус.

А третий японец Tukosha ,сидит в углу ,с расскаленным чаном и с мечалической херней в руках выливает пластмассовые формы будущих блоков питания.
Четверный негр Jon - мотает катушки с проводкой .Что он мотает ,как он мотает - одному ему известно .

И все они четверо работают на злого ,толстого ,сердитого дядю Ляо.Зарабатывают копейки ,а жить то нужно на что то.Вот они и воруют медь с проводов и сдают на металлолом -это обьясняет почему провода тонкие.Что касаеться самих приборов ,мужички настолько устают от этой работы - что делают ее уже на абы как.Дядя Ляо все рпвно будет злой - хоть ты правильно все сделай,все равно не так ,потому что правильно".[/spoiler].

Ответ на форуме был следующий: тебе посоветовали - решай сам.

Время идет, деньги не прибывают. Ну и решил я откинуть сомнения, сдал металлолом, немного бутылок, собрал нужные деньги и заказал тот бп по почте. В обьявлении делался акцент на немецкое качество, мол работают 24\7, универсальны.

Через пару дней пришла посылка. 
Первая проблема обнаружилась со штекером - он не подошел. Пришлось резать провода и подсоединять свой.

Вторая проблема - бп не потянул моник. Если старый бп включал моник хотя бы на 4-5 секунд и вырубал. Тот с этим бп, моник включался и сразу тух, потом циклически все повторялось.

Написал на форум - мне ответили, мол бп надежный, значит что то с моником. Вскоре я разобрал моник, почистил плату от пыли, зачистил места, где пайка окислилась. Собрал обратно - ситуация не изменилась.

Кirich, вы посоветовали увеличить сечение минусового провола. Провод какого диаметра лучше подойдет?

Плюсовой провод тоже поменять или оставить без изменений?
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